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		<title>By: BeerSmith</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-1042</link>
		<author>BeerSmith</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting article!  I usually go for a secondary, but a handful of times I've been overcome by events and ended up kegging directly from the primary.  I have to say that I've never noticed a significant change in flavor.    I think there are some cases where a secondary is still a good idea, but you put together a great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting article!  I usually go for a secondary, but a handful of times I&#8217;ve been overcome by events and ended up kegging directly from the primary.  I have to say that I&#8217;ve never noticed a significant change in flavor.    I think there are some cases where a secondary is still a good idea, but you put together a great article.</p>
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		<title>By: brewpoll.com</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-909</link>
		<author>brewpoll.com</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-909</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Skip the Secondary?...&lt;/strong&gt;

An interesting article on the pros and cons of skipping a secondary fermentation when brewing beer.  The brew dudes argue it is best to skip it!...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Skip the Secondary?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>An interesting article on the pros and cons of skipping a secondary fermentation when brewing beer.  The brew dudes argue it is best to skip it!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-822</link>
		<author>Mike</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the answer to your question is in your post.  I don't recommend transfering a beer to secondary if it isn't done.  So a gravity reading of 1.019 may not be done fermenting.  I'd recommend checking that gravity a couple times in primary on consecutive days, if the gravity is changing then its best to leave it in the primary until it stops changing.  When using healthy yeast its not uncommon or unreasonable to leave beer in the primary for two weeks.&lt;br /&gt;
A eacondary will indeed ferment if the beer goes in there not complete.  Moving beer of the primary yeast cake too early can do more harm than leaving in on the cake for several weeks.&lt;br /&gt;
Employing a secondary fermenter is useful to clear our some more yeast sediment.  The spirit of my secondary post shows that 'if it works for you then do it' mentality.  When using a good flocculating yeast I find that two weeks in primary is more than enough finish fermenting and clear the beer.&lt;br /&gt;
Ideally secondary should occur when fermentation is COMPLETE and at a colder temperature than the primary ferment.  This is essentially what I do with my kegging set up.  Its just that most people don't consider that a secondary, even though its the same process that people who do use a seconday are doing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the answer to your question is in your post.  I don&#8217;t recommend transfering a beer to secondary if it isn&#8217;t done.  So a gravity reading of 1.019 may not be done fermenting.  I&#8217;d recommend checking that gravity a couple times in primary on consecutive days, if the gravity is changing then its best to leave it in the primary until it stops changing.  When using healthy yeast its not uncommon or unreasonable to leave beer in the primary for two weeks.<br />
A eacondary will indeed ferment if the beer goes in there not complete.  Moving beer of the primary yeast cake too early can do more harm than leaving in on the cake for several weeks.<br />
Employing a secondary fermenter is useful to clear our some more yeast sediment.  The spirit of my secondary post shows that &#8216;if it works for you then do it&#8217; mentality.  When using a good flocculating yeast I find that two weeks in primary is more than enough finish fermenting and clear the beer.<br />
Ideally secondary should occur when fermentation is COMPLETE and at a colder temperature than the primary ferment.  This is essentially what I do with my kegging set up.  Its just that most people don&#8217;t consider that a secondary, even though its the same process that people who do use a seconday are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-805</link>
		<author>Jason</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-805</guid>
		<description>Just out of curiosity,  if the recipe specifically calls for a secondary, i.e. your Marzen ale which I am brewing in secondary now, the secondary still does some good, right? When we pulled the beer from ye olde ale pail, the gravity was still at 1.019, and still tasted rather sweet, which would seem to indicate to me that it was still fermenting. Then again, this beer is only the second batch I've ever made and the first that used a secondary. Once we bottle it, and check the gravity again, it will be interesting to note if the gravity has gone down further, if so, then secondaries do indeed ferment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity,  if the recipe specifically calls for a secondary, i.e. your Marzen ale which I am brewing in secondary now, the secondary still does some good, right? When we pulled the beer from ye olde ale pail, the gravity was still at 1.019, and still tasted rather sweet, which would seem to indicate to me that it was still fermenting. Then again, this beer is only the second batch I&#8217;ve ever made and the first that used a secondary. Once we bottle it, and check the gravity again, it will be interesting to note if the gravity has gone down further, if so, then secondaries do indeed ferment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-772</link>
		<author>Mike</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-772</guid>
		<description>Generally I think the more you fuss with the beer, more chance for something to happen. That something is contamination and oxidation. Also, I think we're all in such a hurry to get drinking we move the beer too soon. I stopped doing secondaries a couple years ago and just let my beer do its thing for 2-3 weeks. It certainly didn't hurt anything and I think it improved my beer. One thing for sure, it's less time working (cleaning, sanitizing, racking) and more time drinking. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally I think the more you fuss with the beer, more chance for something to happen. That something is contamination and oxidation. Also, I think we&#8217;re all in such a hurry to get drinking we move the beer too soon. I stopped doing secondaries a couple years ago and just let my beer do its thing for 2-3 weeks. It certainly didn&#8217;t hurt anything and I think it improved my beer. One thing for sure, it&#8217;s less time working (cleaning, sanitizing, racking) and more time drinking. <img src='http://www.brew-dudes.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-731</link>
		<author>Ted</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-731</guid>
		<description>Hello,

First of all I want to agree with pretty much everything you said in the post. For the majority of quick fermenting ales (that don't require dry hopping, other flavor additions, or extended aging), secondary vessels don't do anything beneficial. In fact, they only present potential problems like contamination and oxidation. If you are pouring a new batch over a yeast cake , then you may need to rack the beer if there's no time for bottling on brewday.

I just wanted to add a couple things. For those who bottle, just make sure to rack carefully so as not to pick up sediment. Also its good to pour the beer correctly so you won't get any sediment in the glass. In other words, don't rock the bottle back and forth, and just perform one gradual and  continuous pour.

You can let the primary sit for quit a long time before off flavors become noticeable. There are many other stages in the process that present more adverse problems. Hi Travis, I just wanted to say that it is best to let the beer sit and not to be inquisitive of gravity, taste, or scents during primary fermentation. What lies above the new beer is a protective layer of CO2. Also, that Nut Brown you tried, only sat in primary, it was bottled, and it came out pretty darn clear...right? In fact, my latest beer...the Quinoa Lager only sat in primary, and when it was done, I just dropped the temp for a couple weeks...no problem.

Depending on the yeast strain, the primary vessel can be crystal clear after 2 weeks, or it still may be slightly active (British strains and some other I suppose). If there are still bubble rising, that means sediment could still be circulating around.

Lastly, I haven't really had cloudy beers since converting to all grain brewing. That could be another topic though.

This is a topic that comes up a lot, so I hope it helps that you posted this entry. Check ya later.</description>
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<p>First of all I want to agree with pretty much everything you said in the post. For the majority of quick fermenting ales (that don&#8217;t require dry hopping, other flavor additions, or extended aging), secondary vessels don&#8217;t do anything beneficial. In fact, they only present potential problems like contamination and oxidation. If you are pouring a new batch over a yeast cake , then you may need to rack the beer if there&#8217;s no time for bottling on brewday.</p>
<p>I just wanted to add a couple things. For those who bottle, just make sure to rack carefully so as not to pick up sediment. Also its good to pour the beer correctly so you won&#8217;t get any sediment in the glass. In other words, don&#8217;t rock the bottle back and forth, and just perform one gradual and  continuous pour.</p>
<p>You can let the primary sit for quit a long time before off flavors become noticeable. There are many other stages in the process that present more adverse problems. Hi Travis, I just wanted to say that it is best to let the beer sit and not to be inquisitive of gravity, taste, or scents during primary fermentation. What lies above the new beer is a protective layer of CO2. Also, that Nut Brown you tried, only sat in primary, it was bottled, and it came out pretty darn clear&#8230;right? In fact, my latest beer&#8230;the Quinoa Lager only sat in primary, and when it was done, I just dropped the temp for a couple weeks&#8230;no problem.</p>
<p>Depending on the yeast strain, the primary vessel can be crystal clear after 2 weeks, or it still may be slightly active (British strains and some other I suppose). If there are still bubble rising, that means sediment could still be circulating around.</p>
<p>Lastly, I haven&#8217;t really had cloudy beers since converting to all grain brewing. That could be another topic though.</p>
<p>This is a topic that comes up a lot, so I hope it helps that you posted this entry. Check ya later.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-708</link>
		<author>Mike</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Travis:&lt;br /&gt;
When lagering you may want to get the beer off the excess trub, but I am not a lager expert so I can't speak to that (yet).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the majority of ale fermentations, 2-3 weeks gets the job done and the beer is ready.&lt;br /&gt;
If a brewer is making an ale that requires some sort of long condition, using a second vessel makes sense.  And in reality that is what I am saying in my post.  Many brewers say that they don't do secondary, they go right to a keg.  In my opinion, that is a secondary, it's just happening at a colder temp because most of us keggers move that beer into the keg fridge rather than let it sit in ambient temp with the "traditional" secondary fermentor step.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have let beer sit in a plastic bucket for up to two months.  The head space is all CO2 as I didn't mess with the beer or open the lid.  I had no detectable levels of oxidation in the beer.  Now, I did store it cold as it was in feburary and march that I let this happen (a year ago).  I was worried that the beer would be somewhat oxidized from the plastic bucket AND I was concerned about autolysis of the yeast.  Neither of which were a problem despite sitting on all the original trub (albeit at cold temps).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And to your last point, I don't know what kind of yeast you are using but at the end of my fermentations the yeast in my bucket is not "dead old yeast".  It's extremely healthy dormant yeast that just finished a batch of beer.  It's better than any yeast you can buy at the store.  If it was old dead yeast repitching wouldn't be a viable option.  The percentage of dead cells in a yeast cake should be less than 1%.  And in my experience, not all that 1% undergoes autolysis, so it has a very minimal impact on the beer.  My two month primary blunder as a great example.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis:<br />
When lagering you may want to get the beer off the excess trub, but I am not a lager expert so I can&#8217;t speak to that (yet).</p>
<p>For the majority of ale fermentations, 2-3 weeks gets the job done and the beer is ready.<br />
If a brewer is making an ale that requires some sort of long condition, using a second vessel makes sense.  And in reality that is what I am saying in my post.  Many brewers say that they don&#8217;t do secondary, they go right to a keg.  In my opinion, that is a secondary, it&#8217;s just happening at a colder temp because most of us keggers move that beer into the keg fridge rather than let it sit in ambient temp with the &#8220;traditional&#8221; secondary fermentor step.</p>
<p>I have let beer sit in a plastic bucket for up to two months.  The head space is all CO2 as I didn&#8217;t mess with the beer or open the lid.  I had no detectable levels of oxidation in the beer.  Now, I did store it cold as it was in feburary and march that I let this happen (a year ago).  I was worried that the beer would be somewhat oxidized from the plastic bucket AND I was concerned about autolysis of the yeast.  Neither of which were a problem despite sitting on all the original trub (albeit at cold temps).</p>
<p>And to your last point, I don&#8217;t know what kind of yeast you are using but at the end of my fermentations the yeast in my bucket is not &#8220;dead old yeast&#8221;.  It&#8217;s extremely healthy dormant yeast that just finished a batch of beer.  It&#8217;s better than any yeast you can buy at the store.  If it was old dead yeast repitching wouldn&#8217;t be a viable option.  The percentage of dead cells in a yeast cake should be less than 1%.  And in my experience, not all that 1% undergoes autolysis, so it has a very minimal impact on the beer.  My two month primary blunder as a great example.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-706</link>
		<author>Travis</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always use a secondary.  The reason is that with a 6 1/2 gallon  bucket, there is the potential for me to get oxidized beer if I let it sit for 2-3 weeks with that much head space (if I take some samples or do anything to break the seal).  Also, there is value to separating the beer from the dead old yeast for a long hold.  This is particularly important when lagering.

That's why I secondary.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always use a secondary.  The reason is that with a 6 1/2 gallon  bucket, there is the potential for me to get oxidized beer if I let it sit for 2-3 weeks with that much head space (if I take some samples or do anything to break the seal).  Also, there is value to separating the beer from the dead old yeast for a long hold.  This is particularly important when lagering.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I secondary.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Primary Fermentation &#124; Brew Dudes</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-701</link>
		<author>Primary Fermentation &#124; Brew Dudes</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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