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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-33714</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tyler,

I think dry hopping is another tactic that you should do in a secondary vessel.  I wouldn&#039;t dry hop during primary because of the reasons you mention in your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tyler,</p>
<p>I think dry hopping is another tactic that you should do in a secondary vessel.  I wouldn&#8217;t dry hop during primary because of the reasons you mention in your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-33416</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great site/thread/discussion. After reading everything I plan on leaving my first batch (IIPA) in the primary for 2 weeks. It&#039;s been in for about a week now, bubbling slowly. While I understand the reasons for skipping a secondary in most cases...I plan on dry hopping after 2 weeks. Would it be truly bad to just drop them into the primary? I&#039;ve read about CO2 scrubbing carrying away the hop aroma if the fermentation isn&#039;t done, but I&#039;m sure it&#039;ll be done in another whole week. What do you think?

cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great site/thread/discussion. After reading everything I plan on leaving my first batch (IIPA) in the primary for 2 weeks. It&#8217;s been in for about a week now, bubbling slowly. While I understand the reasons for skipping a secondary in most cases&#8230;I plan on dry hopping after 2 weeks. Would it be truly bad to just drop them into the primary? I&#8217;ve read about CO2 scrubbing carrying away the hop aroma if the fermentation isn&#8217;t done, but I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;ll be done in another whole week. What do you think?</p>
<p>cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-15078</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott,

I appreciate the research into the subject.  I think a secondary phase is needed when one is brewing at a large scale.  For homebrewers where the batches are smaller, the secondary isn&#039;t necessary for most beer types.  Again, this stance is based on our experience with homebrewing batches of 5 or 10 gallons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott,</p>
<p>I appreciate the research into the subject.  I think a secondary phase is needed when one is brewing at a large scale.  For homebrewers where the batches are smaller, the secondary isn&#8217;t necessary for most beer types.  Again, this stance is based on our experience with homebrewing batches of 5 or 10 gallons.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-14158</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys, love this post and comments...

I love the simplicity of not doing a secondary, along with the idea of &quot;less messing with reduces chance of oxidation, etc...&quot; but I read this on Wikipedia - and it aroused my overly OCD to make things clean, pure and  premium - what really caught my attention was the acetylaldehydes/hangover reference:

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewing#Secondary_fermentation):

&quot;After initial or primary fermentation, the beer may be transferred into a second container, so that it is no longer exposed to the dead yeast and other debris (also known as &quot;trub&quot;) that have settled to the bottom of the primary fermenter. This prevents the formation of unwanted flavours and harmful compounds such as acetylaldehydes, which are commonly blamed for hangovers. During secondary fermentation, most of the remaining yeast will settle to the bottom of the second fermenter, yielding a less hazy product.&quot;

What are your thoughts on this?

FYI - I am new to brewing, I am not kegging, but going to bottles...

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys, love this post and comments&#8230;</p>
<p>I love the simplicity of not doing a secondary, along with the idea of &#8220;less messing with reduces chance of oxidation, etc&#8230;&#8221; but I read this on Wikipedia &#8211; and it aroused my overly OCD to make things clean, pure and  premium &#8211; what really caught my attention was the acetylaldehydes/hangover reference:</p>
<p>From Wikipedia (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewing#Secondary_fermentation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewing#Secondary_fermentation</a>):</p>
<p>&#8220;After initial or primary fermentation, the beer may be transferred into a second container, so that it is no longer exposed to the dead yeast and other debris (also known as &#8220;trub&#8221;) that have settled to the bottom of the primary fermenter. This prevents the formation of unwanted flavours and harmful compounds such as acetylaldehydes, which are commonly blamed for hangovers. During secondary fermentation, most of the remaining yeast will settle to the bottom of the second fermenter, yielding a less hazy product.&#8221;</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on this?</p>
<p>FYI &#8211; I am new to brewing, I am not kegging, but going to bottles&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-8992</link>
		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello All,

Great discussion, just started a new fermentation on a dark stout with a predominance of hops, and dry hopped! Wish me luck!, anyways, with this discussion i wanted to give my input on this point.
Id say to chill and add clearing agent to the primary upon complete fermentation, still utilizing the secondary for an additional chill step and dropping out more sediment. Id also agree that the secondary really only benefits the impatient very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello All,</p>
<p>Great discussion, just started a new fermentation on a dark stout with a predominance of hops, and dry hopped! Wish me luck!, anyways, with this discussion i wanted to give my input on this point.<br />
Id say to chill and add clearing agent to the primary upon complete fermentation, still utilizing the secondary for an additional chill step and dropping out more sediment. Id also agree that the secondary really only benefits the impatient very much.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-1641</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee - I would add sugar at bottling.  I wouldn&#039;t assume your yeast have died.  You may have a lot of unfermentable sugars in your brew and they are keeping your final gravity high.  Use priming sugar as the recipe calls for.  For your first batch, you should at least follow all the steps as instructed.  You can make adjustments on the next batch if something goes wrong on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee &#8211; I would add sugar at bottling.  I wouldn&#8217;t assume your yeast have died.  You may have a lot of unfermentable sugars in your brew and they are keeping your final gravity high.  Use priming sugar as the recipe calls for.  For your first batch, you should at least follow all the steps as instructed.  You can make adjustments on the next batch if something goes wrong on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-1640</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 00:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,

I&#039;ve had an Ale in the fermenter for 3 weeks now (my first brew) OG 1.040.  It has dropped to 1.019 and held there for the last 5 days now.  The recipe says 1.019 and under is OK, but to achieve the ABV of 4.0 they specified it would finish at about 1.009.

My thoughts are that this didn&#039;t ferment as much as it could, so either (1) yeast has died and adding sugar during bottling will just increase sweetness (yeuch) OR (2) yeast has gone dormant and will reactivate when transfered to a bottle -- adding sugar will be too much in a bottle as it still has unconverted sugar left over from the wort.

My question is this.  When I bottle do I need to add sugar.
I don&#039;t mind if this English Bitter is low on the carbonation side as that&#039;s typical for a pub draft in the UK.

Thanks--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had an Ale in the fermenter for 3 weeks now (my first brew) OG 1.040.  It has dropped to 1.019 and held there for the last 5 days now.  The recipe says 1.019 and under is OK, but to achieve the ABV of 4.0 they specified it would finish at about 1.009.</p>
<p>My thoughts are that this didn&#8217;t ferment as much as it could, so either (1) yeast has died and adding sugar during bottling will just increase sweetness (yeuch) OR (2) yeast has gone dormant and will reactivate when transfered to a bottle &#8212; adding sugar will be too much in a bottle as it still has unconverted sugar left over from the wort.</p>
<p>My question is this.  When I bottle do I need to add sugar.<br />
I don&#8217;t mind if this English Bitter is low on the carbonation side as that&#8217;s typical for a pub draft in the UK.</p>
<p>Thanks&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-1639</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 19:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rod,

If it is an ale, the bottles won&#039;t carbonate if you put them in the fridge.  Your plan to have them carb up at room temps for a couple of weeks and then move them to the fridge for an extended period of time would work well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rod,</p>
<p>If it is an ale, the bottles won&#8217;t carbonate if you put them in the fridge.  Your plan to have them carb up at room temps for a couple of weeks and then move them to the fridge for an extended period of time would work well.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-1638</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a secondary is not used, what is your recommendation regarding cold conditioning to help clear the beer if you bottle the beer instead of kegging it?  I understand that when kegging you apply pressure for carbonation, but when bottling you are relying on some active yeast to ferment a small bit of sugar to provide carbonation.  If I put those bottles directly in a cold environment (say a refrigerator at 45 degrees) immediately after bottling, will they carbonate?  Or should I leave them at room temperature for a week or two to carbonate, then move them to a cold place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a secondary is not used, what is your recommendation regarding cold conditioning to help clear the beer if you bottle the beer instead of kegging it?  I understand that when kegging you apply pressure for carbonation, but when bottling you are relying on some active yeast to ferment a small bit of sugar to provide carbonation.  If I put those bottles directly in a cold environment (say a refrigerator at 45 degrees) immediately after bottling, will they carbonate?  Or should I leave them at room temperature for a week or two to carbonate, then move them to a cold place?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.brew-dudes.com/skip-the-secondary/183#comment-1637</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 12:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Kody:&lt;br /&gt;
While it has indeed been called a secondary ferment I don&#039;t think a ferment was ever intended in secondary.  Going back to the brewing tome &quot;The complete Joy Of Homebrewing&quot; Charlie was putting the beer in secondary after at least a week of primary fermentation, and the ferment was largely done.  The use of fermentation term is confusing.  The use of a secondary is to give the beer time to settle suspended solids, and to do it off the primary yeast cake.  That way when you rack to a bottling bucket its easier to avoid more stuff in your final product.  I tend to refer to them as vessels.  A primary and a secondary.  But my nomenclature has nothing to do with fermentation.  Most homebrewers these days are seeming to skip a secondary all together.  Finally, I would add that the best brewers these days would strongly advise AGAINST moving the beer after on 2-3 days.  Its unnecessary and can lead to flavor issues and under attenuation.&lt;br /&gt;
Mike&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kody:<br />
While it has indeed been called a secondary ferment I don&#8217;t think a ferment was ever intended in secondary.  Going back to the brewing tome &#8220;The complete Joy Of Homebrewing&#8221; Charlie was putting the beer in secondary after at least a week of primary fermentation, and the ferment was largely done.  The use of fermentation term is confusing.  The use of a secondary is to give the beer time to settle suspended solids, and to do it off the primary yeast cake.  That way when you rack to a bottling bucket its easier to avoid more stuff in your final product.  I tend to refer to them as vessels.  A primary and a secondary.  But my nomenclature has nothing to do with fermentation.  Most homebrewers these days are seeming to skip a secondary all together.  Finally, I would add that the best brewers these days would strongly advise AGAINST moving the beer after on 2-3 days.  Its unnecessary and can lead to flavor issues and under attenuation.<br />
Mike</p>
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